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Letter: Sport event standards

We have long known of the strict honor code BYU abides by as both we and five of our daughters attended BYU. Lately, we have been disappointed at home football games to hear crude and vulgar language coming from one man in particular who sits behinds us.  We realize that this man does not attend the university as a student and is not obligated to abide by the Honor Code. Even so, isn’t it expected that when on university property and as a fan of BYU football, you should keep things in line with proper conduct?

When we asked why he was using such inappropriate language at the TCU game on Saturday, he told us rudely that if we didn’t like what we were hearing, we should stay at home and watch the game on television, insinuating that his conduct is expected and allowed at sporting events since “This is football.” His wife agreed!

Is this the new standard at BYU sporting events or is this language and conduct out of line? We can’t enjoy the game with this man’s constant obscenities and since these are our season tickets, we’re going to meet up with this frustrating situation through November.

DON and TRICIA
Arrowsmith
Woodland Hills

Peter Caramella (not verified) on Tue, 11/10/2009 - 22:47

Just because a sporting event is at BYU does make it inherently different than those at other venues. It is not a BYU devotional, but a public event. The man in question bought his ticket, the same as you. If you wish to be surrounded by people committed to the same standards as you may I recommend the student section? (Although you may be disappointed there as well.)

That said, if someone is being offensive speaking with the ushers would be a good idea. It may be that they do have the power to ask him to alter his behavior or leave. Just because I am inclined to agree with the man and say that sports is sports (ever been to an event outside of Utah?) BYU employees may view it differently.

Dallas (not verified) on Thu, 10/29/2009 - 08:16

Look, I've gone to BYU games for YEARS. I've learned that such words as "Heck", "Dang it", "Freakin" and "Gosh" seem to upset the high and mighty just as much as the real over the top words. I have no idea what this guy said, and it could have been the true definition of cuss words.

So with that said, if he cussed a couple of times... grow some thicker skin and move on. If he was cussing about every other words, and we are talking real cuss words and not the pretend ones, then there is reason to ask the person to throttle back some.

And for the person suggesting BYU come up with a new list of standards or rules regarding speech... look, BYU is about as close as you can get to the same format followed by Natzi Germany... let's not push the envelope any further.

Alex (not verified) on Wed, 10/28/2009 - 11:20

First of all, while the honor code does state that we need to use clean language, the definition of clean varies from person to person. What is crude and vulgar to one person might just be a colorful metaphor to another. This post doesn't indicate which words were used, but if it was some of the "milder" swear words I would just say get over it.

However, depending on the severity of the words used its definitely not pleasant to hear that type of language during a BYU game. You might try listening to the radio coverage of the game on headphones if it was really that offensive - I've seen some folks doing that so might be a good option for you.

On a deeper note, I suspect that you were just upset that we got stomped by TCU and were looking for something/someone on which to project your anger. Getting mad at this guy (who may or may not be a member of the church) probably made the loss more bearable. If we had won convincingly I wonder if you would have been so offended. Just a thought.

Anonymous (not verified) on Tue, 10/27/2009 - 10:12

I would bring this to the attention of the Athletic Dept, maybe they can issue a rule about language (I would guess they have one already). At the game I would speak to the ushers and security and make it an issue between them and the bad-mouther. I agree with you totally, what a class-act that guy (and his wife) are.